Continuations: Real-time Web Growth Will Be M2M: Smart Meters
paulhart
· 5 months ago
What do you think of the fact that the utilities are apparently disengaging themselves from the presentment aspect of (smart) meter data, ceding it to the likes of Google and Microsoft? To my (somewhat educated) eye, it smacks of "yeah, we know usage reduction exists, but it doesn't exist here."
albert
· 5 months ago
I don't think they are ceding anything. It's more that Google and Microsoft are pushing into this and have probably more capability of developing appealing consumer offerings than utilities. But I expect utilities to try to have their own services for this powered by third parties (which might include Google and Microsoft).
Vladimir Vukicevic
· 5 months ago
I love this sector. It will create a diverse ecosystem for new and old companies, including utilities, wireless, and green tech (such as AMEE). I'm particularly excited to see what the intersection of mobile and green will bring to the world.
albert
· 5 months ago
Agree. Mobile and green is definitely an interesting intersection for such activities as shopping (e.g. product environmental impact data).
rafer
· 5 months ago
Machine2Machine interactions! So, this API stuff might take off. :)
kidmercury
· 5 months ago
tracking of consumption is not always a positive thing for society. i have asked the amee guy, gavin, on twitter to address the issue of how sustainability requires tracking. after mocking me for being a conspiracy theorist (although admittedly i'm tossing out bait left and right on that one :) ), he refused to address how sustainability requires tracking. of course tracking has virtualy nothing to do with sustainability (particularly in the instance of carbon tracking), in fact tracking allows government to unfairly intervene and create biases that favor those with political clout at the expense of the public. all of this begs the unfortunate question of wtf amee is doing that benefits society.
but the good news is that the political system financing the creation of these mega data grids is collapsing. whether the grids they leave in place will survive and give us a foundation to create real value remains to be seen.
but yeah, you're right about m2m. surprised you guys haven't made an investment in an RFID company yet, or maybe you have and i missed it. i think you guys would love that space if you could find the right company. lots of terrible and rotten folks in there now though, completely unethical.
albert
· 5 months ago
I won't try a detailed rebuttal here because I think our positions are too far apart. So simply stating my believes here:
1. The theory and the evidence strongly suggest that CO2 is causing significant climate change
2. The only way to manage anything is to measure it first - that is what AMEE helps companies and individuals do
3. The cost of error in this direction is low whereas it is huge in the other direction
2. who says we need to manage the environment? central banks were designed to "manage" the economy. humorously, these same central bankers are now behind the movement to "manage" the environment. they also want to "manage" people. IBM has already filed and received a patent for implantable microchips, which are already being used in the elderly and in the military.
3. cost of error is low?!?!?! lol, surely you jest. carbon tax and cap and trade is going to cost businesses lots of money. what's this mean for consumers? higher prices. so in essence, the cost of error might be low for you, because you are going to get the profits, but the general public is going to pay for it. and again, still waiting for amee or any pro-amee folks to provide evidence that we're all going to melt to death if we don't let amee track everything. they have been curiously silent on this issue in spite of my incessant prodding. if they're so proud, why not provide the evidence so that losers like me will shut up?
the real inconvenient truth is that climate change is not caused by carbon emissions, and that the whole phony environmental movement is designed to tax and control and give governemnt greater authority over our day to day lives. the end goal is the same in china, one child policy because after all humans emit carbon too when we breathe so naturally we need to limit human population to save the environment. that's the road this is headed to, the architects of this plan admit it in many of their documents.
anyway, everytime amee is mentioned i'm going to note how they refuse to address the issue of how tracking is related to sustainability. we haven't been tracking carbon emissions thus far, and life has been sustained, so the burden is on them to prove the need for tracking to ensure that sustainability continues. because all the evidence (the links above are barely anything, there is tons more evidence) points to this being another tax scam perpetrated by government (and its cronies) against the people.
albert
· 5 months ago
A clear case of the bid-ask spread being too wide for any negotiation to make sense!
Sorry for the tardy comment. I meant to ask a couple weeks ago why Twitter seems uninterested in being the conduit for M2M (or M2P or P2M) communication. If I'm wrong, please correct me. That wouldn't be at all surprising since I'm going off of, and interpolating from, one of TechCrunch's notorious reports, the section called "RSS Is The Enemy."
I also recognize, given the context of my source, that you may not be terribly interesting in commenting at all. If so, no worries.
albert
· 4 months ago
Right now they are focused on building a human enduser platform. As that scales other parts of the real-time web could become interesting. It is something that we talked about internally before making the investment.
Josh Young
· 4 months ago
That makes sense, and thanks for replying, Albert. I think the P2M and M2P use cases are especially interesting in the medium term. Building a human's general (or specific, as within some vertical) command line for the Internet would be mighty fun! I also think there are probably use cases where a machine intermediates (by filtering, e.g.) what's really person-to-person communication, as in this little project we're slowly working on at http://www.newsmango.com/.
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but the good news is that the political system financing the creation of these mega data grids is collapsing. whether the grids they leave in place will survive and give us a foundation to create real value remains to be seen.
but yeah, you're right about m2m. surprised you guys haven't made an investment in an RFID company yet, or maybe you have and i missed it. i think you guys would love that space if you could find the right company. lots of terrible and rotten folks in there now though, completely unethical.
1. The theory and the evidence strongly suggest that CO2 is causing significant climate change
2. The only way to manage anything is to measure it first - that is what AMEE helps companies and individuals do
3. The cost of error in this direction is low whereas it is huge in the other direction
2. who says we need to manage the environment? central banks were designed to "manage" the economy. humorously, these same central bankers are now behind the movement to "manage" the environment. they also want to "manage" people. IBM has already filed and received a patent for implantable microchips, which are already being used in the elderly and in the military.
3. cost of error is low?!?!?! lol, surely you jest. carbon tax and cap and trade is going to cost businesses lots of money. what's this mean for consumers? higher prices. so in essence, the cost of error might be low for you, because you are going to get the profits, but the general public is going to pay for it. and again, still waiting for amee or any pro-amee folks to provide evidence that we're all going to melt to death if we don't let amee track everything. they have been curiously silent on this issue in spite of my incessant prodding. if they're so proud, why not provide the evidence so that losers like me will shut up?
the real inconvenient truth is that climate change is not caused by carbon emissions, and that the whole phony environmental movement is designed to tax and control and give governemnt greater authority over our day to day lives. the end goal is the same in china, one child policy because after all humans emit carbon too when we breathe so naturally we need to limit human population to save the environment. that's the road this is headed to, the architects of this plan admit it in many of their documents.
anyway, everytime amee is mentioned i'm going to note how they refuse to address the issue of how tracking is related to sustainability. we haven't been tracking carbon emissions thus far, and life has been sustained, so the burden is on them to prove the need for tracking to ensure that sustainability continues. because all the evidence (the links above are barely anything, there is tons more evidence) points to this being another tax scam perpetrated by government (and its cronies) against the people.
Also worth reading is "Why the Smart Grid Won’t Have the Innovations of the Internet Any Time Soon" at http://earth2tech.com/2009/06/05/why-the-smart-...
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/16/twitters-i...
I also recognize, given the context of my source, that you may not be terribly interesting in commenting at all. If so, no worries.